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Re: Talvipyöräily

ViestiKirjoittaja oivavoi » 18 Loka 2020, 16:33

jviirret kirjoitti:You need a good suspension :roll:


Thanks! Sorry for the late response - do you think suspension is useful during winter because of comfort, or more because it can make it easier for the wheels/bike to get over small heaps of ice and snow etc?

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Re: Talvipyöräily

ViestiKirjoittaja Wacky » 18 Loka 2020, 17:44

oivavoi kirjoitti:
jviirret kirjoitti:You need a good suspension :roll:


Thanks! Sorry for the late response - do you think suspension is useful during winter because of comfort, or more because it can make it easier for the wheels/bike to get over small heaps of ice and snow etc?

I started riding through winters with a Azub mini 20/20 (rear suspension only), which was pretty nasty mainly cause of the lack of selection in studded tires and the schwalbe marathon winters got the studs coming through the tire making punctures. Azub bikes are quite limited in tire width which got me first on a high racer with fat bike tires and now full suspension high "racer" with 3" wide tires.

Generally suspension is recommended, but you may get away without it. It depends a lot how well routes are plowed/brushed and salted where you plan to ride. Here in Helsinki the routes are plowed mostly pretty badly leaving a thick layer of snow that get compacted by people walking over it, which is anything but smooth to ride over.

When it comes to studded tires I rarely use them. I just have a set on second bike just for those few days of the year I need them. I hate the extra noise they make.
- Richard "Riku" Griffin
Savenmaa Alku (2010 - 2011) Azub Bufo (2011 - 2014) MetaPhrastic.28 (2012 ->) MetaPhat (2013 - 2017) Nopia (2017 - 2019) Specbike Extrim (2017 -> & 2019 ->)

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Re: Talvipyöräily

ViestiKirjoittaja oivavoi » 18 Loka 2020, 18:27

Wacky kirjoitti:
oivavoi kirjoitti:
jviirret kirjoitti:You need a good suspension :roll:


Thanks! Sorry for the late response - do you think suspension is useful during winter because of comfort, or more because it can make it easier for the wheels/bike to get over small heaps of ice and snow etc?

I started riding through winters with a Azub mini 20/20 (rear suspension only), which was pretty nasty mainly cause of the lack of selection in studded tires and the schwalbe marathon winters got the studs coming through the tire making punctures. Azub bikes are quite limited in tire width which got me first on a high racer with fat bike tires and now full suspension high "racer" with 3" wide tires.

Generally suspension is recommended, but you may get away without it. It depends a lot how well routes are plowed/brushed and salted where you plan to ride. Here in Helsinki the routes are plowed mostly pretty badly leaving a thick layer of snow that get compacted by people walking over it, which is anything but smooth to ride over.

When it comes to studded tires I rarely use them. I just have a set on second bike just for those few days of the year I need them. I hate the extra noise they make.


Thanks, that's useful!

In Oslo bike paths are generally well plowed and salted (too much salt for my taste, but that's a another debate...). But one will always have to run through or over small snow bumps, heaps of snow, etc. So it's not ideal if the bike/wheels can't do that.

I see that you have the Specbike extrim now - cool! I've been thinking about that one. Compared to the Azub Max it is somewhat cheaper, and maybe it's stiffer and faster as well?

But - does it work in city traffic? I think it looks awesome, particularly for gravel and tracks etc. But given that I have a commute where I have to stop at least 5-6 times for red lights, and sometimes need to stop quickly and put me feet down if something happens, I've been wondering whether it's too high up and cumbersome for that kind of use... Do you use the stock 29 wheels, or rather 27.5 or 26?

As an alternative I've been thinking about the Schlitter Freestyle high-racer, without suspension. But it can take fat tires, and all ride reports I've seen so far indicate that the frame is built in a way which soaks up a lot of bumps, even without suspension. A good thing about that one is that it has adjustable weight distribution, as both the boom and the seat position can be adjusted.

(sorry again for coming here anglisizing your Finnish forum)

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Re: Talvipyöräily

ViestiKirjoittaja Vilijami » 18 Loka 2020, 19:44

oivavoi kirjoitti:(sorry again for coming here anglisizing your Finnish forum)

Dont be worry. English is fine.

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Re: Talvipyöräily

ViestiKirjoittaja Pentti M Reku » 18 Loka 2020, 20:36

I think Wacky is quite tall, looking at proportions in pictures - that should help with the kind of bike he rides. I ride with 26" wheels, mtb tyres and full suspension, but my height really makes it a bit of struggle sometimes, especially combined with lean angle of my bike. So highracer style bike even with suspension is harder in urbar environment,at least if you are not a tall person.

For tyres, I must agree with Wacky on Marathon Winters, they suck. Light casing fast rolling knobbies with sticky compound works fine for most winter riding, extreme ice might benefit from studs. I have some cheap studded mtb tyres that are actually super slippery on some winter conditions just because of the hard rubber compound. Havent ridden with Ice Spikers, but they might be better.

Just get some knobbies for your 'P38 and see how it goes. Riding position looks pretty good for city riding at least.

Edit: Now that I remembered, theres also the option of making your own studded tyres. I think Schwalbe sells an insertion tool and their studs separately. I traded some tyres for nickname terppa too for the purpose of salvaging studs for DIY fatbike studded tyres. Maybe he could chime in if it worked or not? I can´t see why not, if you find a tyre with big enough knobs to drill and insert your studs with some glue.

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Re: Talvipyöräily

ViestiKirjoittaja oivavoi » 19 Loka 2020, 12:05

Thanks guys!

This is really useful. Unfortunately I don't know anybody in Norway who rides a recumbent bike during winters, so nobody to ask there :)

It's probably a good advice to just start out with the P-38. I think it's basically a perfect bike for city traffic, so might be worth it to see if I can make it work for commuting during winter as well. And if not, then look for something else.

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Re: Talvipyöräily

ViestiKirjoittaja PW » 19 Loka 2020, 12:42

We hope you remember to tell us how it works ;)
Petri

Nojapyöräfoorumi toimii hyvin, aina saa vastauksen vaikkei kysyiskään mitään.

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Re: Talvipyöräily

ViestiKirjoittaja Wacky » 19 Loka 2020, 16:35

oivavoi kirjoitti:Thanks guys!

This is really useful. Unfortunately I don't know anybody in Norway who rides a recumbent bike during winters, so nobody to ask there :)

It's probably a good advice to just start out with the P-38. I think it's basically a perfect bike for city traffic, so might be worth it to see if I can make it work for commuting during winter as well. And if not, then look for something else.

I think it's a good idea to get a feel for winter riding with what you already have and then start considering something based on what you learn from the attempt.

oivavoi kirjoitti:I see that you have the Specbike extrim now - cool! I've been thinking about that one. Compared to the Azub Max it is somewhat cheaper, and maybe it's stiffer and faster as well?

I don't think there is much difference between the two in those metrics. Extrim is steel and Azubs are aluminium, both result in a bike around the same weight. They aren't really fast bikes, but you can spec them up to get a little more speed, but they aren't racing bikes.
My bike is totally custom 27,5" wheels. Front wheel has a dynamo and the rear hub is 170mm so I can use 3" tires without clearance issues. Rear fork was built on request for those tires and hub.
- Richard "Riku" Griffin
Savenmaa Alku (2010 - 2011) Azub Bufo (2011 - 2014) MetaPhrastic.28 (2012 ->) MetaPhat (2013 - 2017) Nopia (2017 - 2019) Specbike Extrim (2017 -> & 2019 ->)

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Re: Talvipyöräily

ViestiKirjoittaja oivavoi » 19 Loka 2020, 22:18

Wacky kirjoitti:I think it's a good idea to get a feel for winter riding with what you already have and then start considering something based on what you learn from the attempt.


Wise words! That's a plan, I think. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

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Re: Talvipyöräily

ViestiKirjoittaja Pentti M Reku » 20 Loka 2020, 13:52

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-S43 ... Dn27-L.jpg

Mitäs mieltä talvipyöräilijät on lwb konseptista? Lähteekö keula alta mutkissa? En ainakaan tosta ohjauksesta suuremmin innostu, itse tehden etäohjaus olis varmaan parempi vaihtoehto. Rungossa/rungon alla olisi mukavasti tilaa pattereille ja napamoottorin voisi ripustaa pyörittelemään kampia ketjuvälityksellä.

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Re: Talvipyöräily

ViestiKirjoittaja jviirret » 20 Loka 2020, 14:35

Ne talvet kun kuljin töissä nojapyörällä ajoin lwb:llä, clwb:llä ja python trikellä. Ei se eturenkaan pito vaan laajat ohjausliikkeet joita paksussa lumessa hitaasti ajaessa tulee... Oli siis tuollaisella suoralla yläohjauksella. Clwbssä oli tuo asia kunnossa, mutta vain 20"renkaat.

Sitten otin askeleen takaisinpäin ja nyt kulkenut jo vuodet CF pystypyörällä. Välilevytkin kiittää :)
Riman ali ja suoraa ohi maalin...

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Re: Talvipyöräily

ViestiKirjoittaja Vilijami » 20 Loka 2020, 15:05

jviirret kirjoitti:Sitten otin askeleen takaisinpäin ja nyt kulkenut jo vuodet CF pystypyörällä.

Aluksi ylenkatsoin tätä kehitystä taaksepäin, mutta tämän kesän aikana 406 CF on useimmin tarttunut lenkille mukaan. :oops:


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